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NALC Rap Session Transcript

NALC’s Historic Contract Agreement Proposal

 

National Rap Session - Los Angeles - January 28, 2007 - Transcript by Letter Carrier in Attendance (February 18, 2007)

Theme: Job Security Now!

 Over a thousand delegates filled the grand ballroom of the Wilshire and spilled over into an extra room set up with screens so that the delegates could view President Bill Young as he spoke.

 Proud of the union and excited to see so many members here. Introduced the RAAs, staff members and officers. Clap, clap, clap, etc.

 Deeply distressed by the direction the President of the US is taking us and the state of the world today. This Rap Session is our State of the Labor Union. Wants to spend the next couple of hours discussing how to meet the task before us while planning how to meet the challenges of the future,. Easier to talk about job security than it is to attain it., Job security is our principle mission. In short term no layoff clause may do the trick but in the long term we need a strong and prosperous post office led by city letter carriers.

 Outlined goals for bargaining in Las Vegas. Wanted to transform jobs through self management, new route for evaluating routes. Warned about resistance from PO in the form of trying to contract out our routes. came form the very top, board of governors. at the 11th hour bog decided to pursue insanity of out sourcing carrier work rather than choose the bold plan offered by NALC to transform the PO. Bold strategic alternative. Took the high road and proposed historic win/win contract . board put ideology before long term interests of post office, employees and customers

 Bush appointed board trying to destroy our collective e bargaining rights. Pushed postal management into pushing the dangerous course of out sourcing operations whenever possible. Using back door methods to privatize the post office. Shared Services is the first example.

 Number of contract delivery points has doubled in recent years.

 $313 per delivery city carriers, $152 rural carriers, $96 for contract delivery according to the GAO. Potential savings are too much for some managers to ignore. Out sourcing promises billions in annual savings.

Why are her to day to say no , to resist postal management and the board of governors., We are here to decide how we are going to fight back. Save the postal service from itself.

Agenda for today

 The threat of contracting out

 Not a new threat. Sombrotto called rural carriers in house contracting out. Contract Delivery Services. Most new delivery points designated as rural even if they are city delivery because of the lower cost. Rural carrier

union has made concessions over the years to make rural delivery cheaper. Deliveries increased over 50%. 80% to 69% new city deliveries fell.

 Agreement on jurisdictional disputes between city and rural. Joined together to battle contract delivery. Rural carriers took pay cut to be more competitive with contract deliveries. suggested that the NALC should do the same.

 Renamed Contract Delivery Services last year. Training program developed for delivery managers

 CDS deliveries up 34% sine 2002. Targeting new developments usually new territory but some within city carrier territory. 30 day bid process targeting retirees

 Happening in Florida. New developments right next to city delivery are being contracted out. Claiming to save more than 50% on these deliveries. Workers subject to minimal screening and have little training.

 If we do not stop them now, how long will it be before po tries to replace existing city carriers

 violation of article 32. direct threat to carriers - weaken union bargaining, undercut middle class wages, threaten pension and health benefits. union busting strategy. loss of trust and accountability, lower skilled works, loss of privacy.

 Identity theft. terrorist threats. not the time to contract out.

 Highly skilled, motivated employee work force needed to make new technology work.

 The postmaster general does not think that contracting out is a good idea.

NALC strategy - article 32 monitoring and compliance, collective bargaining strategy, political and legislative action.

Article 32 is not enough because management believes they can do whatever they want under this contract article.

 Collective bargaining track

 bargaining environment - strong productivity and profits, soaring health care costs, USPS network realignment and surge in out sourcing, stagnant wage growth in us economy (unions weak, shifting health care costs to employees, declining pension protection)

 thought we could reconcile our goals with the postal service.

 NALC goals: recognize carriers for their contributions, protect cola clause, job security, better route process

 USPS goals; moderate restraint policy on wages, control health care costs, reduce delivery costs

 NALC took high road: build on success with DRT, customer connect, CSRS/FERS

 what we proposed: (progressive solutions)

 health benefits ; reject proposal for 1%/year cut, city carrier only plan reduction from 84% to 72% other unions have agreed to this. PO will want more.

hired consultant to look at letter carrier only plan($475 million savings/year, BC/BS benefit levels

permit parties to promote good health and tailor benefit to carriers needs voluntary option: NALC Health Benefit Plan 85% - other plans 72% sharing the savings; our share would result in increased pay. $2700 per year just for implementing this plan,.

 propose major restructuring of city carriers by 2011.

 all letter carrier full time regulars working Mon - Fri. grade 2 retained with revamped responsibilities. no more casuals or TEs

 T-6 responsible for ten routes and fill in for annual leave, etc.

Saturday only workforce of bargaining unit new hires on probation paid step a, retired letter carriers paid step O. would result in benefit leave e and OT savings. Saturday workers could not work any other days. no reduction in retirement benefits for working Saturdays. Early out for city carriers task force on implementation created by USPS. looking for creative solutions for small offices.

 Proposal would save $20 billion dollars over the next 30 years. NALC wanted half but would take a40% for protection from subcontracting. 4 - 5% wage increase over the course of the contract.

 managers would have to learn to treat people decently because Saturday work force could just say take this job and shove it. could end up being Mon-Fri letter carriers on overtime if they don' t learn.

 November 29, 2006 had the makings of historic agreement which included all of these elements with a five year contract. included colas and general wage increases higher than those negotiated by the other unions. $1900 - $2200 per year more than what other unions got. had to include no contracting out clauses to protect the difference between carriers and other crafts.

 would have strengthened the long term viability of the post office for years to come. final negotiations cut off at the final hour due to linchpin of foregoing contracting out. PO would take the benefits and still contract out our jobs.

 on December 4th PO proposed final offer - 3 year contract, first year lump sum, reduce health benefits 1% next 2 years (reduction from 85% to 72 %) insulting proposal. bill young demanded apology for insulting contract at his installation. eliminate colas, cut sick and annual leave. no extension of annual lay off clause. told not to overreact as it is only arbitration. thinks board of governors is behind this.

 progress made over the last five years at risk. future joint programs: sequencing flats, customer connect, evaluated route system. po cannot succeed without our help but if they are going to contract out our jobs we will fight them every step of the way these programs. no more asking carriers to do customer connect or volunteer for safety programs.

 why hasn't Bill Young declared war on postal management or pulled plug on joint programs? It would undermine our strategy for arbitration to pick up our ball and go home.

 thought in the best interest of members on merits but also show that NALC has best interests of PO at heart and wants to show that we are working together. if necessary we will fight management at every term after arbitration.

 Next steps. new postal reform law calls for mediation with parties discussing grounds for arbitration. if mediation fails tri-party arbitration interest panel . once chosen arbitration will occur.

 Developing evidence and testimony. have employed new outside witnesses.

 other unions' contracts have no bearing on us other than to show how insulting the PO's offer to us was. other contracts ratified 7 - 1. pursue our own course because city carriers are unique.

 threat of contracting out so important that we have to fight it everywhere

we can. number one issue in Washington dc. take advantage of more labor friendly congress. educate members and staff on the pitfalls of contracting out. will work with major mailers who supported postal reform to explain the dangers of contracting out. commitment from major mailing groups to testify at arbitration against contracting out. conversations with leaders in both parties who are ready to ask bog hard questions.

 letter carriers across the country must help - legislative liaisons and e-activists.

 Republican Tom Davis guaranteed help as well as strong slate of republican law makers to help out. Henry Waxman, California, offered to start hearings now.

 Must build o political successes of 2006. Anti union president in white house. Need a friend in the white house to get a better board of governors. Short term goal to elect a president who supports us. Need bipartisan support.

 

Questions and Answers:

 Q - Monday to Friday delivery program - Won't that adversely impact our Union as far as number of members?

 A - That is a possibility but if they pursue contracting out you won't have to worry about the number of members. Understand the problems but we can't put our heads in the sand. Article 32 has always been in the contract but they have never used it. We had to come up with a proposal that was of benefit to them.

 The most important thing in the Postal Reform Bill concerns the two rate increases which is designed to fund Retiree Health Benefits. After that we will get back the Military retirement money and there will be no more escrow payments. We only need to get through the next ten years.

 Joke - The other Unions are drinking the Kool-Aid while we are trying to be sipping champagne.

 Q    - Monday to Friday delivery - wouldn't that adversely affect PTFs?

 A - All PTFs would be made regular and until that time there would be no Saturday work force.

 Q    - Wouldn't this be a prelude to a five day work week?

 A - That isn't going to happen. We do not want to eliminate Saturday delivery but have a supplemental workforce for Saturday. Bill got the idea from UPS. Just wants an agreement that all infill and all city delivery cannot be contracted out.

 Q   - Two T-6s cover ten routes with no PTFs. Worried about percentages during prime time. How do you fill in with no PTFs.

 A - These are questions that a National Task Force would have to work out. He does not have all the answers. It would take every bit of five years of this contract to get this together while they would have no time for anything else.

 Q    - What would the guidelines be for early out?

 A - Same as prior because of the need to reduce to workforce. Other unions have done this based on reduction of workforce.

 Q    - If we change the health benefit plan would there be a new open season?

 A - Wouldn't start until next open season. USPS savings for carrier's switching to NALC plan would go to NALC as a lump sum. Each payment would be based on prior year so contract increases would come in the last three years. For every dollar we save them, they give us a dollar. Members who do not join NALC plan will get some of the extra money they have to pay in contract increases.

 Q   - Will the Saturday employees be Union members?

 A - Yes with all rights and benefits.

 Q   - Sounds like contracting out to bring low paying workers onto every route on Saturdays?

 A - These employees will be paid letter carrier pay but will receive no USPS benefits. They will be Union employees making the same level of pay.

 Q   - Has anything been done about FERS employees losing their sick leave on retirement?

 A - Need to change the law which means getting George Bush out of the White House.

 Q   - What will happen to those carriers living on overtime. Some carriers made over $100,000 last year.

 A- Those people are worrying more about themselves than the whole because they are saying that it is more important for me to work two jobs than for someone else to have a job. Thinks that there will be more than enough vacancies on Saturdays for ODL to work every Saturday if they want to.

 Q    - Supervisors pressuring carriers about DOIS.

 A - We've settled some of the issues. Percent to standard is the final issue which will go to arbitration if necessary. Looking for self managed carriers.

 Q   - If Congressman Waxman has offered to hold Congressional Hearings why wouldn't we accept that offer?

 A - Because we are still talking. Bill still thinks we are going to get a contract. The major mailers are on our side and do not want to see delivery contracted out. The people that are paying the bills for the postal service are going to come in and testify.

 Q  - Does not believe that the Postal Service is entirely invested in Customer Connect.

A - They don't know how to make it work. NALC is helping because we have to do this to get more business for the USPS.

 Q- Does the Board of Governors understand who got Postal Reform?

 A - They don't want Postal Reform because it takes away some of their powers.

 Q   - Do they understand that cost of city delivery is partially due to their own mismanagement?

 A - Thinks the answer if self management once we get a contract settlement.

 Q    - APWU claims they are going to take over letter carrier work.

 A - The future of the Postal Service according to every expert is as a delivery service. In fifteen years there will be no APWU.

 Q   - One of the problems with the NALC plan is the distance to a preferred provider is so far for rural members.

 A - There are a number of states where this is true. When you compare the networks, most of the doctor's are in all of them. If we get the majority of letter carriers into the NALC Health Benefit plan, it would be reshaped to benefit active carriers. Carriers will still be able to choose.

 Q  - What about the ODL any change to an hour is an hour or the same old song and dance?

 A - No changes on Article 8.

 Q    - Would retirees working on Saturday be under FERS

 A - They wouldn't get any retirement or benefits as they are already retired.

 Q   - Any changes in transfer rules?

 A - No changes negotiated. Only issue discussed was transfers between grades. NALC position is that there are no transfers between grades because no carrier goes as a T-6. USPS was interested in that proposal.

 Q    - Can a retiree working on Saturday also be on steward time if they hold a Union position?

A - Yes.

Q   - Can we have a Postmaster in each area who answers to us as she can't get Potter to return her calls.

 A - Let's get rid of a lot of the delivery supervisors that we don't need. That's the first step.

 Q    - Why can't we get this type of meetings over the internet?

 A - He thinks it takes a bigger computer. Gary Mullins - We have made major strides. We are looking at using streaming video. All offices are being updated to DSL. Changing web pages to make sure we are using the latest technology. One step at a time.

 Q    - Any plans for a permanent step increase since APWU moved up to level 6.

 A - If we get this contract we would be making wages equivalent to Level 8. Must be balance against the impact of the economic situation of the USPS. That's why Customer Connect is so important. APWU agreed that they can contract out simply by notifying the local president.

 Q   - If you called it Level 7 they could not be excessed into our craft.

A - They don't want to be Letter Carriers. That was clear the last time.

 Q   - How many retirees will be available to work on Saturday?

 A - 35,000 letter carriers will be able to retire in the next three years.

 Q   - As people are retiring, the routes are being split up under the guise of minor route adjustments.

 A - Discussions about a new way of evaluating routes which would not depend on management judgments or DOIS

 Q   - Can we work with rural carriers for Customer Connect?

A - Makes sense to improve Customer Connect.

 Q    - Do Saturday employees have to take the test?

A - NALC retirees will be hired first. Decisions about how other employees will be hired has not been decided yet. Maybe the union can play a role in the hiring.

 Q    - Any movement on bringing rural carriers into NALC?

 A - We make so much more money that we would have to sacrifice wages to merge with the rural carriers.

 Q- Trying to cut routes. If Saturday employees are brought in, will they be able to cut routes based on their times?

 A - Agreement that routes would be based on the Monday - Friday carrier who is the regular carrier.

 Q    - OIG doing investigation to discipline and remove carriers.

 A - Postal Service entered into a contract with the OIG giving them complete control for investigating postal employees. We will prevail at arbitration in all these cases

 Q  - Will there be anything in the contract to get back highway contract routes we've lost?

 A - No. We are just trying to protect everything we have now especially the in-growth on city routes.

 Q   - Worried about the deterioration of customer service when carriers are working past 12 and 60 and out late at night.

 A - Experiencing this trauma because they are trying to reduce employees. NALC plan would take care of these issues. We have to get a better match of resources where the staff is needed. Might have to create routes.

 Q   - Worried that FERs employees will get a reduction in Social Security if they work on Saturday.

 A - The Rural Carriers went to Congress to get an agreement that sub carriers would not receive a reduced annuity.

Q   - Will retirees at Medicare age loss their health benefits as the secondary coverage?

 A - I don't know. Wants to see universal health coverage for everyone.

Q- Will there be a probationary and training period for Saturday employees who move into the Monday - Friday work force?

 A - No, they will be evaluated by the work they have done.

 Q    - Third bundle issue

 A - Close to making a settlement but there will be no deal until the contract is settled.

 Q    - Will the new T-6 positions go up for bid.

 A - Thinks the fairest way may be to let them bid it because of the expected changes.

 Q   - What is the response of higher postal management to the idea of contacting out city carrier routes?

 A - They don't like it but they have no power to make decisions. The problem is with the Board of Governors. The Postal Service was ready to sign the contract as a done deal.

 Q    - Why do you believe that we can make an agreement with the USPS now?

 A - Because they seem to understand that they need us as a partner especially in implementing the flat sorting machines. They can't do this without NALC help. Bill doubts that an arbitrator would have the courage to pull the trigger on this deal. WE AREN'T GOING TO DO ANY WORSE THAN THE OTHER UNIONS NO MATTER WHAT WE GET. He showed the major mailers on paper how much money the Postal Service can make with this deal. They are on our side. WE ARE NOT AFRAID OF ARBITRATION. WE WILL GO AND WE WILL WIN!

 Q   - What can carriers do to stop or remove management that harasses and pushes carriers.

 A - You've already done that by joining this union.

 Q   - Why is management cancelling route inspections across the country?

A - He hopes it is because they are intending to sign the contract. He doesn't want to think what this Postal Service is going to be like if they don't.

 Q   - is there going to be training for carriers delivering antibiotics in case of a terrorist attack?

 A - Major benefits for carriers. They and their families get antibiotics first. Homeland Security is in charge and may be in Philadelphia next.

 Q   - If Article 32 still stands at the end of this process, do we have a representative case ready to go?

 A - No. Article 32 does not protect us from contracting out any new deliveries including infill on carrier routes. Grieve every instance and we will look for the best case.

Q   - Will there be a provision for veterans to have preference for Saturday delivery?

 A - Veteran provisions will remain in effect.

 Bill Young final remarks:

 I know for a fact that Postal management cannot beat this organization.

RAP SESSION TRANSCRIPT (PDF) courtesy  NALC Branch 38

 

 

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